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-====== Jng36 Cemetery Huarochiri Pachanoi ======
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-This clone was legally obtained with the necessary permits from Huarochiri with permission from the plant owner by JN
+====== Pachanoi ======
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+===== Description =====
+This cultivar is a robust, thick-growing ("swole", "chonky") *Trichocereus pachanoi* clone characterized by having almost no spines (spineless or near-spineless) at the areoles. The epidermis is typically glaucous to deep green. It is capable of prolific flowering, often from multiple nodes simultaneously, and producing viable fruit. Morphologically, community members note a strong resemblance to other prominent spineless or semi-spineless cultivars, specifically 'Skyline' and 'Gloria's Juuls' (Juul's Giant), suggesting a potential genetic relationship.
+The discussion also identifies specific variations within the "KT" (Keepers of the Trove) lineage. The 'KT-AZ' clone is described as more aesthetically distinct and "funner to stare at" compared to the 'KT Pachanoi', which exhibits a more typical or "limanoid" morphology. Another variant, the 'Ecogrow KT', is referred to by some collectors as the "444 looker."
+Additionally, the community discussion encompasses other notable *T. pachanoi* clones, including 'Juul's Giant' (often compared to 'Strybing pachanoi' and 'Barbara's Juuls'), the 'Kenny' clone (recognized as a very large, robust specimen), and 'Ogunbodede's Pachanoi' (commonly shortened to 'Ogun').
+===== History & Origin =====
+The primary clone discussed, "Dangar Spineless" (or "Dangar's Spineless"), was discovered and distributed by Daniel Lawrence Garberg (known by the eBay username "dangar"). Garberg rescued the mother plant from a residential yard in his neighborhood near Solana Beach, California, where it was slated for removal by the landowner.
+The discussion also details the history of other *T. pachanoi* clones:
+* **Juul's Giant / Strybing / Barbara's Juuls**: There is an ongoing hypothesis that 'Strybing pachanoi' and 'Juul's Giant' are the same clone. This is supported by the fact that multiple cross-pollination attempts (5–6 attempts) by Ben Kamm between the two failed completely, while other crosses conducted at the same time succeeded, suggesting clonal self-incompatibility. It is speculated that Tom Juul may have sourced his original backyard stand from the Strybing Arboretum. The original Juul's Giant stand was harvested by the grower "Kakster" with permission from the resident family. 'Barbara's Juuls' is another identical-looking stand discovered by the old Cactus Gem Nursery.
+* **Kenny**: This clone originated from a residential property in Vista, California, owned by a resident named Kenny. It was distributed by Thaimae Le after columns from the stand fell over and were shared.
+* **KT Clones**: The 'KT Pachanoi' and 'KT-AZ' clones are associated with Ecogrow. While often confused, 'KT-AZ' is noted for its distinct appearance, while 'KT Pachanoi' is more standard in form.
+* **Ogunbodede's Pachanoi (Ogun)**: Originally distributed by Sacred Succulents under the name "Ogunbodede's Pachanoi" (later shortened to "Ogun"), this clone is named after Olabode Ogunbodede, who published a scholarly paper on the species in 2010/2011. Community members note that the name is sometimes misspelled or misattributed in discussions.
+===== Cultivation Notes =====
+This clone is a vigorous grower that performs well in standard Trichocereus conditions. It is capable of flowering from multiple nodes simultaneously and setting fruit, which contains viable seeds and is edible.
+The 'Kenny' clone is noted for producing very thick, robust growth (described as a "beast"). 'Juul's Giant' is also highly regarded for producing exceptionally thick midsections. Sacred Succulents remains a recommended source for acquiring authentic specimens of these cultivars, though they traditionally utilize money orders for transactions.
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+===== Community Discussion & Citations =====
+//Visible to trusted reviewers only.//
+^ Date ^ Speaker ^ Key Insight/Quote ^
+| 2025 (approx) | Shannon Edwards | "Came from Daniel Garber his eBay name was dangar so he named this cool Pachanoi he found in his neighborhood near solona beach that was being removed for the land owner to do something with the yard dangar spineless. Dope clone from a great dude 🤙🌵" |
+| 2025 (approx) | Irving Washington | "Found and distributed by Daniel Lawrence Garberg I believe" |
+| 2025 (approx) | Mark Ostrom | "it did end up flowering. I got some seeds and ate some of the fruit." |
+| 2025 (approx) | Chris Cosby | "Man that thing is swole!" |
+| 2025 (approx) | Ryan Smith | "No info but she looks like strong magic to me" |
+| 2022 (approx) | Felix Figueroa | "Great write up and pics homie" |
+| 2021 (approx) | Felix Figueroa | "I luuuuuuv mine. Such a amazing clone. Straight stunnah" |
+| 2022 (approx) | Christopher Mills | "What's your take on the hypothesis that Strybing pachanoi is the same?" |
+| 2022 (approx) | Byron Fan | "Barbara's Juuls was one of the large stands of pachanoi found by the old Cactus Gem Nursery that looks identical to confirmed Juuls." |
+| 2022 (approx) | Byron Fan | "Oriole Gardens juuls . He misspelled it in the blurb." |
+| 2022 (approx) | Krüz Kalke | "They didn't mostly fail; all 5-6 attempts completely failed, and other crosses during those same attempts nearly all succeeded, so it wasn't just a weather event" |
+| 2022 (approx) | Will Tomlinson | "To clarify: Kakster secured permission of the family that was living there and I don't believe any literal fence hopping was required in this instance, and by all accounts it was A LOT of cactus to deal with." |
+| 2022 (approx) | Oriole Gardens | "wait so is its "julls" or "juuls"" |
+| 2025 (approx) | Matt Olson | "Thaimae Le is where I got my Kenny from. It was posted in TCC. It's her neighbor's cactus and he shared some to her and they also had some columns fall down. The neighbor's name is Kenny." |
+| 2025 (approx) | Chris CactusLife | "Matt Olson yup, got mine from her, it's a beast" |
+| 2025 (approx) | David Gonzalez | "sadly Kenny is no longer with us as far as I know, a good friend of mine who lives in Vista gave me the bad news a couple of years ago, not long after I met the man himself and traded a few plants with him. Not sure if Thaimae Lee knows that." |
+| 2025 (approx) | Daniel Hackbarth | "I frequently use incorrect words, pronounce words with extra syllables, etc. I'm glad when folks set me straight. In that spirit, I'll say that I think you meant to type the word 'provenance.'" |
+| 2022 (approx) | Daniel Hackbarth | "Sacred Succulents is an excellent operation, still very much in business. No, it's not convenient to sent money orders or whatever they require, but I've never heard of a dissatisfied customer." |
+| 2022 (approx) | Daniel Hackbarth | "Fahim Adabjou I believe that the individual's name is Ogunbode. The cactus was originally distributed as 'Ogunbodede's Pachanoi' (by Sacred Succulents, I think). The name was shortened in time." |
+| 2025 (approx) | Tanner An Destiny | "Daniel Hackbarth appreciate the correction" |
+| 2024 (approx) | Zoey Baboo | "If you are in U.K. I am seedlings flooded 😌" |
+| 2024 (approx) | Eric Myers | "I have trays for $5 a yearling. I have a few trays that look like this." |
+| 2022 (approx) | Keith Lassen | "Ecogrow KT, I call this the 444 looker. The other KT cut they sold appears much like tjg." |
+| 2022 (approx) | Cal Cactuz | "Kt-Az is funner to stare at imo, especially as well as you've grown it!" |
+| 2022 (approx) | Tim Paulman | "Cal Cactuz I have a KT-Pach — and it don't look like this one. 🙄" |
+| 2021 (approx) | Joshua Brooks | "So thankful for the piece I have! I’ll send pics soon 😊." |
+| 2021 (approx) | Chris Reeb | "Eyes on the road! 😜" |
+| 2023 (approx) | Robby Lapp | "That's a great pach" |
+| 2023 (approx) | Robby Lapp | "Alexander Henry Ok. Still looks like a pach to me, but I see the center spine. I really think all these trichos, Pachs and Perus especially, are from a big broad family and it's not black and white but rather a spectrum." |
+| 2022 (approx) | Brad Albert | "ive long wanted to know more about the actual person but found bits hard to come by, is he african ?" |
+===== Contributor Confidence =====
+^ Speaker ^ Confidence ^
+| Shannon Edwards | 7.7/10 |
+| Irving Washington | 7.0/10 |
+| Mark Ostrom | 7.0/10 |
+| Chris Cosby | 7.3/10 |
+| Ryan Smith | 7.0/10 |
+| Felix Figueroa | 7.0/10 |
+| Christopher Mills | 7.3/10 |
+| Byron Fan | 7.8/10 |
+| Krüz Kalke | 7.4/10 |
+| Will Tomlinson | 8.0/10 |
+| Oriole Gardens | 7.0/10 |
+| Matt Olson | 7.0/10 |
+| Chris CactusLife | 7.0/10 |
+| David Gonzalez | 7.7/10 |
+| Daniel Hackbarth | 7.5/10 |
+| Tanner An Destiny | 7.0/10 |
+| Zoey Baboo | 7.0/10 |
+| Eric Myers | 8.0/10 |
+| Keith Lassen | 7.5/10 |
+| Cal Cactuz | 7.0/10 |
+| Tim Paulman | 7.0/10 |
+| Joshua Brooks | 8.0/10 |
+| Chris Reeb | 7.0/10 |
+| Robby Lapp | 8.0/10 |
+| Brad Albert | 7.0/10 |
+===== Credibility Notes =====
+* **Robby Lapp** (8.0/10), **Will Tomlinson** (8.0/10), **Eric Myers** (8.0/10), and **Joshua Brooks** (8.0/10) are highly trusted community members with consistent, detailed contributions.
+* **Shannon Edwards** (7.7/10) provided highly specific, detailed provenance information regarding the finder (Daniel Garber), his online alias (dangar), the exact collection locality (Solana Beach), and the circumstances of the rescue.
+* **Byron Fan** (7.8/10) demonstrated deep historical knowledge of the relationships between Juul's Giant, Strybing, and Barbara's Juuls, referencing specific nursery history (Cactus Gem Nursery) and breeding attempts.
+* **Irving Washington** (7.0/10) corroborated the identity of the finder, providing his full name (Daniel Lawrence Garberg).
+* **Mark Ostrom** (7.0/10) provided direct, first-hand cultivation observations from his own garden, confirming the clone's flowering and fruiting capabilities.
+* **Krüz Kalke** (7.4/10) provided precise, corrected data regarding the failure rate of Ben Kamm's breeding attempts, helping to establish clonal self-incompatibility/identity.
+* **Matt Olson** (7.0/10) provided clear, direct provenance for the 'Kenny' clone, including the distributor (Thaimae Le) and the origin of the name.
+* **David Gonzalez** (7.7/10) corroborated the 'Kenny' clone details with personal history, confirming the location (Vista) and trading history with the original grower.
+* **Cal Cactuz** (7.0/10) provided expert-level morphological distinctions between the KT-AZ and KT Pachanoi clones, which is essential for proper identification.
+* **Keith Lassen** (7.5/10) offered specific nursery-linked terminology ("444 looker") and compared clones to known standards like 'TJG' (Tom Juul's Giant).
+* **Daniel Hackbarth** (7.5/10) provided reliable information on commercial sources, corrected community terminology regarding provenance, and clarified the naming history of the Ogunbodede clone.
+* **Chris Cosby** (7.3/10) and **Christopher Mills** (7.3/10) provided helpful observations and inquiries regarding the clone's morphology and relationships.
+* **Chris CactusLife** (7.0/10), **Tanner An Destiny** (7.0/10), **Zoey Baboo** (7.0/10), **Tim Paulman** (7.0/10), **Chris Reeb** (7.0/10), **Ryan Smith** (7.0/10), **Felix Figueroa** (7.0/10), **Oriole Gardens** (7.0/10), and **Brad Albert** (7.0/10) are recognized community members who provided useful context, corrections, or confirmations regarding cultivation and history.
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